Understanding Pakistan helps us to understand the conflict in Afghanistan. There is a reason for the existence of the term AFPAK; the two countries are intertwined when it comes to security issues in South Asia. Christine Fair, a well-known expert on Pakistan, is interviewed by Aasim Zafar Kahn - a columnist with The News International - a widely read English daily in Pakistan. Christine says that the 'deep state' term is a way of describing how the Pakistan Army runs the country behind the scenes. She discounts the 'independence' of Pakistan's intelligence service from the Pakistan Army and provides us with her understanding of why Pakistan supports terrorist groups that attack India and the Afghan Taliban that are running amok in Afghanistan. Read the interview in "Pakistan Army continues to run and ruin the country: Fair", Alternative.co, April 19, 2015.